I should say that the true philosopher would despise them. Search HathiTrust. John Burnet, 1903) Ἐχεκράτης [57a] αὐτός, ὦ Φαίδων, παρεγένου Σωκράτει ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ ᾗ τὸ φάρμακον ἔπιεν ἐν τῷ δεσμωτηρίῳ, ἢ ἄλλου του ἤκουσας; Did we not see equalities of material things, such as pieces of wood and stones, and gather from them the idea of an equality which is different from them? Selections from The Phaedo by Plato [The Phaedo tells the story of Socrates’ final moments spent, as one would expect, in philosophical dialogue with his friends. But if so, whenever the strings of the body are unduly loosened or overstrained through disease or other injury, then the soul, though most divine, like other harmonies of music or of works of art, of course perishes at once, although the material remains of the body may last for a considerable time, until they are either decayed or burnt. Then, my friend, we can never be right in saying that the soul is a harmony, for we should contradict the divine Homer, and contradict ourselves. And which does the soul resemble? By no means. And in some cases the name of the idea is not only attached to the idea in an eternal connection, but anything else which, not being the idea, exists only in the form of the idea, may also lay claim to it. Be quiet, then, and have patience. PHAEDO: They are in process of recollecting that which they learned before? Book Excerpt. Cebes answered: I agree, Socrates, in the greater part of what you say. Say so, yes, replied Simmias, and swear to it, with all the confidence in life. True. True, he said. PHAEDO: And which alternative, Simmias, do you prefer? Such appears to be the case. The Phaedo is usually placed at the beginning of his “middle” period, which contains his own distinctive views about the nature of knowledge, reality, and the soul, as well as the implications of these views for human ethical and political life. Phaedrus (Full Text) Lyrics. What do you say? When he had spoken these words, he arose and went into a chamber to bathe; Crito followed him and told us to wait. To a degenerate and degraded state.’) There is not, he said. Full text of Plato's PHAEDO translated in English. True. And in like manner, my dear Cebes, if all things which partook of life were to die, and after they were dead remained in the form of death, and did not come to life again, all would at last die, and nothing would be alive—what other result could there be? Certainly not. Death. Will he not depart with joy? Will you not allow that I have as much of the spirit of prophecy in me as the swans? I mean, he replied, as you might say of the very large and very small, that nothing is more uncommon than a very large or very small man; and this applies generally to all extremes, whether of great and small, or swift and slow, or fair and foul, or black and white: and whether the instances you select be men or dogs or anything else, few are the extremes, but many are in the mean between them. Then let us consider the whole question, not in relation to man only, but in relation to animals generally, and to plants, and to everything of which there is generation, and the proof will be easier. And if any one maintains that the soul, being the harmony of the elements of the body, is first to perish in that which is called death, how shall we answer him? And now, if you please, let us return to the point of the argument at which we digressed. Socrates replied: And have you, Cebes and Simmias, who are the disciples of Philolaus, never heard him speak of this? This text-based PDF or EBook was created from the HTML version of this book and is part of the Portable Library of Liberty. such a fact as that the growth of man is the result of eating and drinking; for when by the digestion of food flesh is added to flesh and bone to bone, and whenever there is an aggregation of congenial elements, the lesser bulk becomes larger and the small man great. A summary of the entirety of the Phaedo may be found on Wikipedia . Introduction. When Socrates had done speaking, for a considerable time there was silence; he himself appeared to be meditating, as most of us were, on what had been said; only Cebes and Simmias spoke a few words to one another. And I, Simmias, replied Socrates, if I had the art of Glaucus would tell you; although I know not that the art of Glaucus could prove the truth of my tale, which I myself should never be able to prove, and even if I could, I fear, Simmias, that my life would come to an end before the argument was completed. And then he proceeds to ask of some one who is incredulous, whether a man lasts longer, or the coat which is in use and wear; and when he is answered that a man lasts far longer, thinks that he has thus certainly demonstrated the survival of the man, who is the more lasting, because the less lasting remains. ‘He beat his breast, and thus reproached his heart: Endure, my heart; far worse hast thou endured!’ Certainly not. And they were said to have vowed to Apollo at the time, that if they were saved they would send a yearly mission to Delos. Yes, he said, Cebes, it is and must be so, in my opinion; and we have not been deluded in making these admissions; but I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, and that the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in existence, and that the good souls have a better portion than the evil. No. But are real equals ever unequal? Very true. But what will those who maintain the soul to be a harmony say of this presence of virtue and vice in the soul?—will they say that here is another harmony, and another discord, and that the virtuous soul is harmonized, and herself being a harmony has another harmony within her, and that the vicious soul is inharmonical and has no harmony within her? And those who appear to have lived neither well nor ill, go to the river Acheron, and embarking in any vessels which they may find, are carried in them to the lake, and there they dwell and are purified of their evil deeds, and having suffered the penalty of the wrongs which they have done to others, they are absolved, and receive the rewards of their good deeds, each of them according to his deserts. Nay, my good friend, said Socrates, let us not boast, lest some evil eye should put to flight the word which I am about to speak. Certainly, replied Simmias. The seen is the changing, and the unseen is the unchanging? ECHECRATES: Then bursting into tears he turned away and went out. Purchase a copy of this text (not necessarily the same edition) from Amazon.com This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 United States License . It may be. On the other hand, Cebes appeared to grant that the soul was more lasting than the body, but he said that no one could know whether the soul, after having worn out many bodies, might not perish herself and leave her last body behind her; and that this is death, which is the destruction not of the body but of the soul, for in the body the work of destruction is ever going on. Now this custom still continues, and the whole period of the voyage to and from Delos, beginning when the priest of Apollo crowns the stern of the ship, is a holy season, during which the city is not allowed to be polluted by public executions; and when the vessel is detained by contrary winds, the time spent in going and returning is very considerable. And the same may be said of the immortal: if the immortal is also imperishable, then the soul will be imperishable as well as immortal; but if not, some other proof of her imperishableness will have to be given. and from the picture of Simmias, you may be led to remember Cebes? And I cannot help thinking that if Aesop had remembered them, he would have made a fable about God trying to reconcile their strife, and how, when he could not, he fastened their heads together; and this is the reason why when one comes the other follows, as I know by my own experience now, when after the pain in my leg which was caused by the chain pleasure appears to succeed. I will do my best, replied Socrates. and our desire is of the truth. Yes, Socrates; I am convinced that there is precisely the same necessity for the one as for the other; and the argument retreats successfully to the position that the existence of the soul before birth cannot be separated from the existence of the essence of which you speak. or rather, is not the nearest approach to the knowledge of their several natures made by him who so orders his intellectual vision as to have the most exact conception of the essence of each thing which he considers? For I could not imagine that when he spoke of mind as the disposer of them, he would give any other account of their being as they are, except that this was best; and I thought that when he had explained to me in detail the cause of each and the cause of all, he would go on to explain to me what was best for each and what was good for all. True. Very true, he replied. Πλάτωνος Φαίδων (ed. In like manner you would be afraid to say that ten exceeded eight by, and by reason of, two; but would say by, and by reason of, number; or you would say that two cubits exceed one cubit not by a half, but by magnitude?-for there is the same liability to error in all these cases. Now my objection is not the same as that of Simmias; for I am not disposed to deny that the soul is stronger and more lasting than the body, being of opinion that in all such respects the soul very far excels the body. I can only say in answer—the living. By all means. Yes, abundantly proven, Socrates, he replied. But then, O my friends, he said, if the soul is really immortal, what care should be taken of her, not only in respect of the portion of time which is called life, but of eternity! For when I consider the matter, either alone or with Cebes, the argument does certainly appear to me, Socrates, to be not sufficient. That he should be able to answer was nothing, but what astonished me was, first, the gentle and pleasant and approving manner in which he received the words of the young men, and then his quick sense of the wound which had been inflicted by the argument, and the readiness with which he healed it. This is the last version completed before his death in 1893. That is also true. But if it be true, then is not the body liable to speedy dissolution? Is not the separation and release of the soul from the body their especial study? And this is recollection. And so you think that I ought to answer your indictment as if I were in a court? Selections from The Phaedo by Plato [The Phaedo tells the story of Socrates’ final moments spent, as one would expect, in philosophical dialogue with his friends. Then three has no part in the even? SCENE: Under a plane-tree, by the banks of the Ilissus. Echecrates: Were you there in prison yourself, Phaedo, on the day when Socrates drank the poison or did you hear of it from someone else? Then the living, whether things or persons, Cebes, are generated from the dead? But we who live in these hollows are deceived into the notion that we are dwelling above on the surface of the earth; which is just as if a creature who was at the bottom of the sea were to fancy that he was on the surface of the water, and that the sea was the heaven through which he saw the sun and the other stars, he having never come to the surface by reason of his feebleness and sluggishness, and having never lifted up his head and seen, nor ever heard from one who had seen, how much purer and fairer the world above is than his own. Album Phaedrus. And is not all true virtue the companion of wisdom, no matter what fears or pleasures or other similar goods or evils may or may not attend her? Moreover, the temperament of their seasons is such that they have no disease, and live much longer than we do, and have sight and hearing and smell, and all the other senses, in far greater perfection, in the same proportion that air is purer than water or the ether than air. And what is the nature of this knowledge or recollection? And here let me recapitulate—for there is no harm in repetition. The odd. And when some one breaks the lyre, or cuts and rends the strings, then he who takes this view would argue as you do, and on the same analogy, that the harmony survives and has not perished—you cannot imagine, he would say, that the lyre without the strings, and the broken strings themselves which are mortal remain, and yet that the harmony, which is of heavenly and immortal nature and kindred, has perished—perished before the mortal. But there is no harmony, he said, in the two propositions that knowledge is recollection, and that the soul is a harmony. Cause of death: unspecified. I suppose that you wonder why, when other things which are evil may be good at certain times and to certain persons, death is to be the only exception, and why, when a man is better dead, he is not permitted to be his own benefactor, but must wait for the hand of another. Yes. PHAEDO: And was Aristippus there, and Cleombrotus? Yes, an equal harmony. And now, as you bid me, I will venture to question you, and then I shall not have to reproach myself hereafter with not having said at the time what I think. She is held fast by the corporeal, which the continual association and constant care of the body have wrought into her nature. 2. Note : the numbers in parentheses represent the approximate number of full lines of text in each section or subsection, in the Greek text of the Budé edition. And to which class is the body more alike and akin? for there is force in his attack upon me. Album Phaedrus. I think, Socrates, that, in the opinion of every one who follows the argument, the soul will be infinitely more like the unchangeable—even the most stupid person will not deny that. ECHECRATES: To return then to my distinction of natures which are not opposed, and yet do not admit opposites—as, in the instance given, three, although not opposed to the even, does not any the more admit of the even, but always brings the opposite into play on the other side; or as two does not receive the odd, or fire the cold—from these examples (and there are many more of them) perhaps you may be able to arrive at the general conclusion, that not only opposites will not receive opposites, but also that nothing which brings the opposite will admit the opposite of that which it brings, in that to which it is brought. Such are those thick and gloomy shadows damp Plato's Phaedo Commentary (1st ed., 22 mb .pdf, 25June15 ) The link above contains the 1st ed. Yet once more consider the matter in another light: When the soul and the body are united, then nature orders the soul to rule and govern, and the body to obey and serve. When she saw us she uttered a cry and said, as women will: ‘O Socrates, this is the last time that either you will converse with your friends, or they with you.’ Socrates turned to Crito and said: ‘Crito, let some one take her home.’ Some of Crito’s people accordingly led her away, crying out and beating herself. We were informed that he died by taking poison, but no one knew anything more; for no Phliasian ever goes to Athens now, and it is a long time since any stranger from Athens has found his way hither; so that we had no clear account. Had we the knowledge at our birth, or did we recollect the things which we knew previously to our birth? I am convinced, Socrates, said Cebes, and have nothing more to object; but if my friend Simmias, or any one else, has any further objection to make, he had better speak out, and not keep silence, since I do not know to what other season he can defer the discussion, if there is anything which he wants to say or to have said. To-day, he replied, and not to-morrow, if this argument dies and we cannot bring it to life again, you and I will both shave our locks; and if I were you, and the argument got away from me, and I could not hold my ground against Simmias and Cebes, I would myself take an oath, like the Argives, not to wear hair any more until I had renewed the conflict and defeated them. ECHECRATES: This is the state of mind, Simmias and Cebes, in which I approach the argument. But did you ever behold any of them with your eyes? But if, said Socrates, you are still incredulous, Simmias, I would ask you whether you may not agree with me when you look at the matter in another way;—I mean, if you are still incredulous as to whether knowledge is recollection. Socrates proceeded:—I thought that as I had failed in the contemplation of true existence, I ought to be careful that I did not lose the eye of my soul; as people may injure their bodily eye by observing and gazing on the sun during an eclipse, unless they take the precaution of only looking at the image reflected in the water, or in some similar medium. The soul, he replied. Plato symposium full text pdf Literally translated by Seth Benardete. True. The truth rather is, that the soul which is pure at departing and draws after her no bodily taint, having never voluntarily during life had connection with the body, which she is ever avoiding, herself gathered into herself;—and making such abstraction her perpetual study—which means that she has been a true disciple of philosophy; and therefore has in fact been always engaged in the practice of dying? Then the soul is more like to the unseen, and the body to the seen? But that proof, Simmias and Cebes, has been already given, said Socrates, if you put the two arguments together—I mean this and the former one, in which we admitted that everything living is born of the dead. One of them I term sleep, the other waking. For harmony cannot possibly have any motion, or sound, or other quality which is opposed to its parts. Not at all more. I agree with you, Socrates, he said. My words, too, are only an echo; but there is no reason why I should not repeat what I have heard: and indeed, as I am going to another place, it is very meet for me to be thinking and talking of the nature of the pilgrimage which I am about to make. Although Socrates is the central character in Plato’s Phaedo, Simmias and Cebes introduce conflicting ideas from the Pythagorean tradition that are subjected to careful analysis. And now, he said, let us begin again; and do not you answer my question in the words in which I ask it: let me have not the old safe answer of which I spoke at first, but another equally safe, of which the truth will be inferred by you from what has been just said. endobj And the weaker is generated from the stronger, and the swifter from the slower. Phaedo by Plato - Full Text Free Book File size: 0.3 MB What's this? Persons of the dialogue: Phaedo - Echecrates Of Phlius - Socrates - Apollodorus - Simmias - Cebes - Crito - attendant of the prison The thought, Socrates, must have occurred to your own mind that such is our conception of the soul; and that when the body is in a manner strung and held together by the elements of hot and cold, wet and dry, then the soul is the harmony or due proportionate admixture of them. Is not this true, Cebes? And what did you think, he said, of that part of the argument in which we said that knowledge was recollection, and hence inferred that the soul must have previously existed somewhere else before she was enclosed in the body? Then, Simmias, our souls must also have existed without bodies before they were in the form of man, and must have had intelligence. Moreover, if you succeed in convincing us, that will be an answer to the charge against yourself. But to say that I do as I do because of them, and that this is the way in which mind acts, and not from the choice of the best, is a very careless and idle mode of speaking. Return to top. Yes, Phaedo; and I do not wonder at their assenting. Now this, Socrates, is the reverse of what was just now said; for upon this view the wise man should sorrow and the fool rejoice at passing out of life. Yes, Socrates, I suppose that they will, I replied. Phaedo Plato After an interval of some months or years, and at Phlius, a town of Peloponnesus, the tale of the last hours of Socrates is narrated to Echecrates and other Phliasians by Phaedo … There comes into my mind an ancient doctrine which affirms that they go from hence into the other world, and returning hither, are born again from the dead. But do you mean to take away your thoughts with you, Socrates? And they are right, Simmias, in thinking so, with the exception of the words ‘they have found them out’; for they have not found out either what is the nature of that death which the true philosopher deserves, or how he deserves or desires death. Phaedo by Plato. Such was the end, Echecrates, of our friend; concerning whom I may truly say, that of all the men of his time whom I have known, he was the wisest and justest and best. And these, if they are opposites, are generated the one from the other, and have there their two intermediate processes also? An accident, Echecrates: the stern of the ship which the Athenians send to Delos happened to have been crowned on the day before he was tried. ECHECRATES: Several minor variants of Jowett’s translation may also be found on the Internet. Or if any one asks you ‘why a body is diseased,’ you will not say from disease, but from fever; and instead of saying that oddness is the cause of odd numbers, you will say that the monad is the cause of them: and so of things in general, as I dare say that you will understand sufficiently without my adducing any further examples. and what again is that about which we have no fear? I sent away the women mainly in order that they might not misbehave in this way, for I have been told that a man should die in peace. Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging and inciting the other to put the question which we wanted to have answered and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might be troublesome under present at such a time. And the water of this river too mingles with no other, but flows round in a circle and falls into Tartarus over against Pyriphlegethon; and the name of the river, as the poets say, is Cocytus. Unseen then? That follows necessarily, Socrates. But as I have failed either to discover myself, or to learn of any one else, the nature of the best, I will exhibit to you, if you like, what I have found to be the second best mode of enquiring into the cause. It is the ship in which, according to Athenian tradition, Theseus went to Crete when he took with him the fourteen youths, and was the saviour of them and of himself. edition of Stallbaum; the principal deviations are noted at the bottom of the page. 25.2 MB Facsimile PDF small Do you agree in this notion of the cause? I mean that if any one asks you ‘what that is, of which the inherence makes the body hot,’ you will reply not heat (this is what I call the safe and stupid answer), but fire, a far superior answer, which we are now in a condition to give. And you must seek among yourselves too; for you will not find others better able to make the search. True. Admitting the soul to be longlived, and to have known and done much in a former state, still she is not on that account immortal; and her entrance into the human form may be a sort of disease which is the beginning of dissolution, and may at last, after the toils of life are over, end in that which is called death. Perseus provides credit for all accepted changes, storing new additions in a versioning system. I would not have him sorrow at my hard lot, or say at the burial, Thus we lay out Socrates, or, Thus we follow him to the grave or bury him; for false words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. He may argue in like manner that every soul wears out many bodies, especially if a man live many years. Who were present? They must be always the same, Socrates, replied Cebes. True. Lingering, and sitting by a new made grave, However, Phaedo managed to slip out to listen to Socrates, who eventually persuaded either Cebes or Alcibiades or Crito and their friends to ransom him so that he could be free and study philosophy. Albert A. Anderson translated the Greek text into contemporary English. Yes, truly. And having neither more nor less of harmony or of discord, one soul has no more vice or virtue than another, if vice be discord and virtue harmony? And now, he said, what did we just now call that principle which repels the even? Certainly, he will. Then when does the soul attain truth?—for in attempting to consider anything in company with the body she is obviously deceived. An XML version of this text is available for download, with the additional restriction that you offer Perseus any modifications you make. Oft seen in charnel vaults and sepulchres, And is not the feeling discreditable? Plato wrote approximately thirty dialogues. At the same time he handed the cup to Socrates, who in the easiest and gentlest manner, without the least fear or change of colour or feature, looking at the man with all his eyes, Echecrates, as his manner was, took the cup and said: What do you say about making a libation out of this cup to any god?
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